Emir | Candidate for Union President

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Re: Emir | Candidate for Union President

Postby Thomas » November 5th 2013, 9:35 pm

As usual I agree with Spy and I think we've started to make that transition to your "dream" of an executive and roleplay government already, with the last bill I passed through Parliament and I think Emir and Will's proposal does sort of follow the lines you envisage.
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Re: Emir | Candidate for Union President

Postby YingBlanc » November 5th 2013, 9:49 pm

What I envisage is like the American former police of gays in the army, can't remember the name of it right now, but I see it as it should be there, but only referenced as historical or just mentioned as information, not made into a fully blown RP with the other non-AIN country.

Only problem with that is as Thomas said, it voids out most blocs inside of the union, or being in most unions outside of AIN, so I admit my ideal is flawed, but skirting around that rather large problem, the idea itself is fine. Especially for mention historically.
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Re: Emir | Candidate for Union President

Postby RedAurora » November 5th 2013, 10:47 pm

Thomas wrote:"I will propose the repeal of the act prohibiting participation in the European Union. "

I thought we had, as a union, come to the conclusion that membership of the EU massively restricts AIN activities? For example, the idea of a LMB free trade area would be null and void, free trade and economic cooperation between Cattala and Sainte-Croix would be greatly diminished and your Lehicro charter would be worthless. The roleplay opportunities open to Sainte-Croix and any other nation looking at being in the AIN and EU are vastly reduced.


I should probably say in advance that I do not intend for Sainte-Croix to join the European Union, given the numerous blocs and agreements which it is a member of. However, I want to make sure that other states, which do not have agreements making them incompatible for EU membership, will be able to join. Again, I want to discuss this with all members once again, and I won't be proposing its repeal if the majority still is in favour of the act. But my goal is that members have the ability to roleplay with real-life nations in a limited manner without godmodding, and I believe that we can find a balance. The reason why I want to discuss it again is that since the act was passed, opposition has increased. More people are against it, and as you saw, a number of members supported a revote on it. I think their approach was too rushed, but I agree with them on their view and I want them to be able to have a say.

Ottoh11 wrote:Wow. I've never thought we would be so far off with our positions. I apparently have to state that I strongly disagree with almost everything you're campaigning for. As Thomas has already mentioned your idea of allowing roleplay with the EU would nullify not only the LMB, Lehicro, or any other AIN-bond in Europe, it would also be against the vote of a majority of members, who passed the bill when it was for discussion in Parliament. This is a non-democratic act of you if you let it go back to parliament and to an eventual new vote.

secondly, i do not think we need yet another AINSummit. Whereas the current one was a minor to complete disaster, with far too few nations participating (me apparently included). I do not think that we had so few participation because no one had the time for it, but rather many members maybe not knowing WHAT actually to do. And you want to introduce political parties to that summit? Many members are already overwhelmed by the effort for this one, leave alone introducing new opinions of different parties.

thirdly, Whereas international political party alliances could be a good thing, i again think that some members - maybe even many - will be again overburdened with that. Nice idea though.


These are my ideas about your campaign. I think, i might be covering some other member's opinions with my criticism.


First of, we kinda should be different in our positions. :P Otherwise, why run against each other for President?

How exactly would roleplay with EU nullify LMB, Lehicro, and other AIN-bonds? I mean, many real-life EU members are in other organisations as well. Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, they have their own borderless customs union, Benelux. Most EU members are a part of the NATO and some Commonwealth of Independent States members are being considered for entrance into the EU. To be honest, I'm still not convinced that the EU will bar AIN activity; if we liberalise roleplay with real-life countries, it will be even more possible for AIN members to also be EU members. I'm not planning to make an executive decree to repeal it or anything, I just want to talk with other members once again and I will only propose its repeal if the majority agree that we can liberalise roleplay with RL nations. It's not a "non-democratic" act either, discussion with other AIN members on an issue is more democratic than anything else.

I don't think AINSummit was a "disaster" at all. We got quite a few nations to roleplay in it even though it was optional. To me, it was a small success that could lead the way to a major success. The next time, I will guide members as much as possible if they are confused over what to do as you said. Trust me, running it in a holiday period will be one less problem for us. And when did I EVER SAY that I was going to introduce political parties to the summit?

As for the political internationals, I don't think it will be burdening at all. It will be optional and all members have to do is sign-up for them with the names and leaders of political parties from their nations.

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As I said to Thomas and Otto, I only wish to re-discuss roleplay with real-life nations. I'm not going to ever make executive decrees and I will only put a parliamentary proposal if the majority of members agree. I totally agree with you that godmodding would be a problem. That is an extreme, and it should be avoided. But what we have right now, no roleplay whatsoever, is another extreme. My goal is to look for a balance. I like your idea of AINUP, but your other idea, the General Assembly roleplay, is what Will and I are already planning.

Your example is a bit confusing, and I'm not sure yet, but I'd definitely like to hear more of it. I hope we can contact soon by PM or Skype where we could tailor it out. :D

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InvaderNat: That is exactly right. :party: You want to roleplay with real-life nations in a balanced manner without godmodding. That's exactly what I want to bring to the AIN and I totally agree with you.
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Re: Emir | Candidate for Union President

Postby Otto » November 6th 2013, 3:27 pm

First of, we kinda should be different in our positions. :P Otherwise, why run against each other for President?

How exactly would roleplay with EU nullify LMB, Lehicro, and other AIN-bonds? I mean, many real-life EU members are in other organisations as well. Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, they have their own borderless customs union, Benelux. Most EU members are a part of the NATO and some Commonwealth of Independent States members are being considered for entrance into the EU. To be honest, I'm still not convinced that the EU will bar AIN activity; if we liberalise roleplay with real-life countries, it will be even more possible for AIN members to also be EU members. I'm not planning to make an executive decree to repeal it or anything, I just want to talk with other members once again and I will only propose its repeal if the majority agree that we can liberalise roleplay with RL nations. It's not a "non-democratic" act either, discussion with other AIN members on an issue is more democratic than anything else.

I don't think AINSummit was a "disaster" at all. We got quite a few nations to roleplay in it even though it was optional. To me, it was a small success that could lead the way to a major success. The next time, I will guide members as much as possible if they are confused over what to do as you said. Trust me, running it in a holiday period will be one less problem for us. And when did I EVER SAY that I was going to introduce political parties to the summit?

As for the political internationals, I don't think it will be burdening at all. It will be optional and all members have to do is sign-up for them with the names and leaders of political parties from their nations.


Roleplaying with the EU will be incredibly hard. You have so many unique opinions coming together in the EU that it'd be impossible to simulate a proper roleplay with them, heck i can't even describe properly what they are actually doing. So how what kind of roleplay with them have you thought of? Being a EU member would prohibit the participation in the AIN, as we are basicially the same as the EU, just worldwide.
And, you're wrong about BeNeLux, they are a part of the Schengen-area, which includes most of the EU nations, granting borderless and custom-free travel, the BeNeLux is just a word-union, as all three states coordinate their politics. They, however are not a Union within a Union.
Commonwealth Nations into the EU? I doubt that since they do not locate themselves on a European map. Only nation coming up over and over for EU-entrance is Turkey, but that's not a Commonwealth nation..

If AIN-members chose to become part of the EU, their politics would be severely interfered with, with Brusseles dictating most of the foreign, defense and financial politics of a state. I doubt that it would be beneficial to a roleplaying nation to be a EU-member. However, it should be possible to be part of the Schengen-area, allowing borderless travel.

Yes, my bad with the Summit, you did not talk of Political Parties. However, i still doubt that we should have another Summit, as the current one has not even been officially closed.

So, what do you expect them to do then? What would be the purpose to coordinate -let's say all Socialist parties' actions AIN-wide? How would roleplay benefit from it? Don't you think that it is a burden, not only for those signing up, but also later to enhance that roleplay.
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Re: Emir | Candidate for Union President

Postby InvaderNat » November 6th 2013, 9:05 pm

Ottoh11 wrote:
First of, we kinda should be different in our positions. :P Otherwise, why run against each other for President?

How exactly would roleplay with EU nullify LMB, Lehicro, and other AIN-bonds? I mean, many real-life EU members are in other organisations as well. Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, they have their own borderless customs union, Benelux. Most EU members are a part of the NATO and some Commonwealth of Independent States members are being considered for entrance into the EU. To be honest, I'm still not convinced that the EU will bar AIN activity; if we liberalise roleplay with real-life countries, it will be even more possible for AIN members to also be EU members. I'm not planning to make an executive decree to repeal it or anything, I just want to talk with other members once again and I will only propose its repeal if the majority agree that we can liberalise roleplay with RL nations. It's not a "non-democratic" act either, discussion with other AIN members on an issue is more democratic than anything else.

I don't think AINSummit was a "disaster" at all. We got quite a few nations to roleplay in it even though it was optional. To me, it was a small success that could lead the way to a major success. The next time, I will guide members as much as possible if they are confused over what to do as you said. Trust me, running it in a holiday period will be one less problem for us. And when did I EVER SAY that I was going to introduce political parties to the summit?

As for the political internationals, I don't think it will be burdening at all. It will be optional and all members have to do is sign-up for them with the names and leaders of political parties from their nations.


Roleplaying with the EU will be incredibly hard. You have so many unique opinions coming together in the EU that it'd be impossible to simulate a proper roleplay with them, heck i can't even describe properly what they are actually doing. So how what kind of roleplay with them have you thought of? Being a EU member would prohibit the participation in the AIN, as we are basicially the same as the EU, just worldwide.
And, you're wrong about BeNeLux, they are a part of the Schengen-area, which includes most of the EU nations, granting borderless and custom-free travel, the BeNeLux is just a word-union, as all three states coordinate their politics. They, however are not a Union within a Union.
Commonwealth Nations into the EU? I doubt that since they do not locate themselves on a European map. Only nation coming up over and over for EU-entrance is Turkey, but that's not a Commonwealth nation..

If AIN-members chose to become part of the EU, their politics would be severely interfered with, with Brusseles dictating most of the foreign, defense and financial politics of a state. I doubt that it would be beneficial to a roleplaying nation to be a EU-member. However, it should be possible to be part of the Schengen-area, allowing borderless travel.

Yes, my bad with the Summit, you did not talk of Political Parties. However, i still doubt that we should have another Summit, as the current one has not even been officially closed.

So, what do you expect them to do then? What would be the purpose to coordinate -let's say all Socialist parties' actions AIN-wide? How would roleplay benefit from it? Don't you think that it is a burden, not only for those signing up, but also later to enhance that roleplay.

That's true, I've heard the EU regulates about 85% of everything it's member 'states' can pass into law. I don't think there's anything wrong with having the international political groups though, most RL parties do join groups like that. Neu Westfalen obviously wouldn't given our non-partisan nature but I still support that part.
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Re: Emir | Candidate for Union President

Postby RedAurora » November 6th 2013, 10:49 pm

Well, as I said several times by now, I'm not going to propose the repeal of the EU act without a lengthy discussion & consideration period. Before doing that, we would need to look at liberalising roleplay laws, which will be my priority when it comes to the "interaction with RL nations" issue. It's not a personal issue either; even if the EU act is repealed, I'm not going to enter Sainte-Croix into the European Union.

I guess Benelux wasn't a good example, but there are talks on Moldova, Armenia, and Belarus entering the EU, which are CIS members. Turkey is not in the CIS, but is a part of the Turkic Council. AIN isn't a worldwide-EU, Otto, this alliance was found as a counterpart to the United Nations. I think that if we were to liberalise roleplay laws, the alliance could have some EU members as those nations would have the ability to interact with Britain, France, Germany, and others. Non-European nations also need to interact with those nations, as they have historical ties with them. (Islas Verdes and Spain, Cattala and the UK, Corraile and the UK, Asgard and France, etc.) Not to mention, Sainte-Croix would likely have strong relations with France, given they are neighbours and SC was once part of France.

I haven't thought of the types of interactions with EU, but we could be creative and find quite a few ways if the current roleplay laws were loosened. Schengen Area isn't anything other than a borderless zone anyways, so there's absolutely no need to do something about it.

The current summit hasn't been closed, but it soon will be. Once that happens, we should be able to hold one in the beginning of next year; once again, I plan to hold it in a holiday period to ensure enthusiastic members' availability.

Events & participation in the political internationals is something I hope to plan out with members who are interested. We could incorporate roleplay from these internationals into the internal affairs of each nation that has member parties. For example, one of the internationals, which has parties from NH, NWF, ND, and Asgard, decides to change its approach. We could then look at the results of that change in the parliamentary & government affairs of New Duveland, New Holland, etc. The sky is the limit when it comes to the roleplay potential. :D
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Re: Emir | Candidate for Union President

Postby Spy9600 » November 6th 2013, 10:58 pm

Well though I'm still not very supportive of non-radical anti-RL-roleplay policies, it could be interesting to give it a new chance and see how it develops. And I fully support another AIN Summit taking place soon. I don't think the last one was too bad at all, but we can do a lot better and we should try again - not because it was "bad", but because it is yet another event anyways. The more the better. I wouldn't call last one a disaster at all.
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Re: Emir | Candidate for Union President

Postby Otto » November 7th 2013, 9:19 am

Emir wrote:I guess Benelux wasn't a good example, but there are talks on Moldova, Armenia, and Belarus entering the EU, which are CIS members. Turkey is not in the CIS, but is a part of the Turkic Council. AIN isn't a worldwide-EU, Otto, this alliance was found as a counterpart to the United Nations. I think that if we were to liberalise roleplay laws, the alliance could have some EU members as those nations would have the ability to interact with Britain, France, Germany, and others. Non-European nations also need to interact with those nations, as they have historical ties with them. (Islas Verdes and Spain, Cattala and the UK, Corraile and the UK, Asgard and France, etc.) Not to mention, Sainte-Croix would likely have strong relations with France, given they are neighbours and SC was once part of France.


Well, interaction is always allowed. However, having active roleplay with those nations is not right. Firstly, you can't act as a real life nation, there's too much behind it. If we allowed roleplay with real-life nations, most of us would concentrate on those nations and the inner-AIN-roleplay would come to halt, as everyone will be busy playing with RL nations. I think that this RL-roleplay ban is right, as it enhances and encourages the roleplay of our nations.

The current summit hasn't been closed, but it soon will be. Once that happens, we should be able to hold one in the beginning of next year; once again, I plan to hold it in a holiday period to ensure enthusiastic members' availability.


Wouldn't it be better if we waited let say half a year until a new Summit is made? I am totally okay with having a Summit every 6 months, that would be much more thoughtful then having a new one starting right after the latest was closed.

Events & participation in the political internationals is something I hope to plan out with members who are interested. We could incorporate roleplay from these internationals into the internal affairs of each nation that has member parties. For example, one of the internationals, which has parties from NH, NWF, ND, and Asgard, decides to change its approach. We could then look at the results of that change in the parliamentary & government affairs of New Duveland, New Holland, etc. The sky is the limit when it comes to the roleplay potential. :D


For the sky being the limit the idea has to take off from the ground first. I don't see that happening as i do not think that it would enhance roleplay too much.
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Re: Emir | Candidate for Union President

Postby Thomas » November 7th 2013, 5:22 pm

A Norwegian relationship with the EU is possible, being in Schengen and a free trade area, but not being dictated by EU laws and overarching centralisation.

The way I'd like to see it go is a "casual" relationship. We can recognise and do very light things, like my commentary on Italy and Malta's immigration issue and the royal visit to Scotland a couple of years ago (only got mentioned on the Wiki), but full-on relations and roleplay with them and creating fictitious responses from their governments is not on in my opinion. I definitely think whoever is elected must address this issue though, because it's really important.
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Re: Emir | Candidate for Union President

Postby RedAurora » November 7th 2013, 6:10 pm

Thank you both for commenting. Once again, I will respond when I get home.
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Re: Emir | Candidate for Union President

Postby RedAurora » November 7th 2013, 10:44 pm

Otto:

I'm not saying that's not a possibility, I also don't want godmodding. Once again, I just want to talk with other members and see what we can do. As Nat said, one should be able to send a minister, or PM, or president to a RL nation and meet that nation's head-of-state. Some very limited roleplay, such as a bi-national transportation route or some sort of infrastructural connection perhaps, would be allowed, not declaring war on France. :P

As for the Summit, I see your point, but as a roleplay union, we tend to hold events more frequently than real-life nations for obvious reasons. 2-3 months is, IMO, more than enough time until we hold another summit. However, I will do my best to ensure that the next summit really lasts only a week.

Finally, I really think there's great potential with political internationals. I mean, as you can check out the news thread of every nation, political parties play a huge role in roleplay. (no pun intended :P ) Therefore, these international umbrella organisations could interact a lot with the parties, thus significantly affecting every nation that participates. If we can pull this off, we wouldn't need any more roleplay scandals or crises as this would provide more than enough news. :lol:

Thomas:

That's an excellent idea. I don't intend on opening up RL roleplay too much, of course. But perhaps, we could have some EU members who could refrain from interacting with EU too much. Again, my goal is to conclude on a balance that will allow for reasonable interaction with real-life... without going overboard.
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